This week's melodrama is the question of whether or not the British Museum should/will loan the Rosetta Stone to Egypt and whether or not Egypt will try to claim it on a permanent basis. There are some interesting opinions being floated. Unlike Nefertiti the question of the repatriation of the Rosetta Stone seems, at least in some cases, to generate serious consideration of the issues, not merely emotional responses. I am sure that all readers are familiar with the Rosetta Stone but if not, you can find a description, here, on the British Museum's website.
The Telegraph, UK (Roy Clare)
The three languages displayed on it, translations of the same text, enabled us to make the first interpretations of Egyptian hieroglyphs. It is no surprise, then, that each year, millions of visitors to London seek out this exceptional artefact (and the thousands of others) in the galleries that present the world's cultures in the British Museum.
And it is equally unsurprising that a distinguished academic should come to London from Cairo on a mission to retrieve what he sees as rightfully Egyptian. Dr Zahi Hawass argues that the stone is an icon of the Egyptian past, and the Egyptian identity, and belongs in the country of its creation. As secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, he points to the historical material he has recovered from other countries – why should Britain be different?
When dealing with any artefact acquired in the imperial past, there are bound to be sensitivities, and demands for repatriation – witness the controversy over the Elgin Marbles, another gem of the British Museum's collection. But in this case, the law is not on Dr Hawass's side. The Rosetta Stone was properly acquired and its provenance within Britain's national collections is beyond dispute. The trustees of the British Museum could decide to loan it out – although to date, no such request has been received – but their deliberations would take account of the conditions in which the item would be displayed, the risks to its safety and security, and the likelihood of its return. Dr Hawass's recent public statements would also be considered – which could present an unusual backdrop to any judgment the trustees might reach.
But the decision as to whether to return the stone is not just about the technicalities of ownership.
Glasgow Herald
To Enlightenment scholars searching for the key to the magic door into Ancient Egyptian culture, it had a double significance. It records a decree issued by the priests in Memphis in 196BC ordering the teenage Ptolemy V to be worshipped in recognition of his “establishing Egypt and making it perfect”. The outcome of a power struggle in the dying years of his dynasty (originally Greek), it was to be displayed in temples. So it was an early form of mass communication, asserting the ruler’s authority.
To emphasise this, the decree is written in three languages, including ancient hieroglyphs, written only by the priestly class, and Greek, the language of administrators. It was this that enabled European scholars – primarily the Frenchman Jean-Francois Champollion and Englishman Thomas Young – to crack the secret of hieroglyphics that had been lost for 2000 years and spark a love of and fascination with Egyptology that continues to this day, and which accounts for millions visiting the ancient sites every year.
The 4ft-high stone, with its jagged top, is not spectacular but when my family first saw it a few years ago, we all felt the power of its history. It was the sense that such artefacts have important stories to tell.
The claims of Dr Hawass rest on the assumption that artefacts should remain in whatever country they were found. (Other culturally protectionist nations include Turkey, Greece and, in the case of the Lewis Chessmen, Scotland.) . . .
However, there is a much bigger point that needs to be made.
Dr Hawass justifies both his extensive shopping list and the ever-stricter controls and restrictions placed on foreign archaeologists in Egypt like this: “We are the descendants of the pharaohs. If you look at the faces of the people of Upper Egypt, the relationship between modern and ancient Egypt is very clear.” Frankly, this is nonsense.
BBC News
Egypt's head of antiquities will drop a demand for the permanent return of the Rosetta Stone if the British Museum agrees to loan it out, he says.
The Stone - a basalt slab dating back to 196BC which was key to the modern deciphering of hieroglyphics - has been at the museum since 1802.
Dr Zahi Hawass has long called for foreign museums to return six of the most prized antiquities of Egypt.
The British Museum said it would consider the loan request soon.
A spokeswoman said no official request had been made by Egypt for the permanent return of the stone, but the loan had been discussed and would be considered by the museum's trustees "fairly shortly".
Dr Hawass said while he still ultimately wanted the stone to have its home in Cairo, he would settle for the British Museum's acceptance of his request for a three-month loan.
An FAQ of the Rosetta Stone:
The Independent, UK (Cahal Milmo)
Why are we asking this now?
Dr Zahi Hawass, the secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) and the high priest of all matters archaeological in the Land of the Pharaohs, arrived in London yesterday to further his demand for the return of the Rosetta Stone from the display rooms of the British Museum, where it has been on show since 1802. Dr Hawass has embarked on an international campaign to secure the return of a host of renowned artefacts which he claims were plundered by colonial oppressors and assorted brigands from Egypt's ancient tombs and palaces before ending up in some of the world's most famous museums.
What is so important about a 2,200-year-old slab of granite?
Carved in 196BC, the Rosetta Stone is the linguistic key to deciphering hieroglyphics and probably the single-most important conduit of understanding between the modern world and ancient Egypt.
Opinion:
A don's life, Times Onine (Mary Beard)
What is the best selling post-card in the British Museum?
The last time I inquired -- admittedly more than a decade ago, but was told that it was the permanent "number one" -- it was a rather dreary image of the Rosetta Stone. That outsold its major rivals by several thousand. If you are interested, the main post-card rivals were: various views of the Museum itself, the (also Egyptian) bronze "Gayer Egypt Anderson" cat (displayed on the card plus or minus a real live tabby cat) and an original drawing of Beatrix Potter's Flopsy Bunnies.
There is no doubt that the Rosetta Stone (seen a few years back above) is a major icon of the British Museum -- and in fact, its post-card celebrity is backed up by its presence on best selling umbrellas, duvet covers and mouse mats (remember them?), all especially popular, I am told, in Japan.
I was once very puzzled about all this. After all, it is a rather uninspiring lump of black basalt, inscribed at the beginning of the second century BCE, recording an agreement between the Greek king of Egypt and a group of Egyptian priests, concerned among other things with tax breaks for the said priests. It came to London, as spolls of war in the early nineteenth century, captured from the French.
So why so charismatic?
Presumably because it was the key to decoding Egyptian hieroglyphs, as the inscription was trilingual -- in hieroglyphs, Greek and Egyptian demotic. Whether you think that the key work was done by Thomas Young (British) or Jean-Francois Champollion (French) depends partly on your national prejudice.
And now, again, Zahi Hawass (Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Egypt) wants it "back"? Does he have a point?
In my view, no -- not at all.
And on a lighter note:
The Guardian, UK (John Crace)
The head of Egypt's supreme council of antiquities is in London to request the return of the Rosetta stone from the British Museum. The 2,200- year-old tablet bears three parallel texts of the same passage and was the key to deciphering ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. But what does it actually say?
Captain's Log Star Date Year 9, Xandikos day 4, the King, the lord of the Uraei, whom Ptah has chosen to help decode hieroglyphics with this edict though it would have been nicer if it had been something more interesting, the son of Pre Ptolemy, living for ever, obviously, the Manifest God whose excellence is fine, which is more than can be said for the punctuation, on this day, a decree is made to the mr-sn priests and scribes of the House of Life on the festival of the Rulership by King Ptolemy . . . . .
There's also a discussion taking place in the Comments section on The Guardian website (150 comments at the time of writing). Some of it is pretty lame, and all of it is predictable, but it's there if you're interested.
12 comments:
The Rosetta stone was made during the period of Ptolemaic rule in Egypt. If it had been made during the period of Egyptian rule I would have more sympathy with Dr Hawass's view. But then of course it may not have had the Greek text...
It's not just Dr. Hawass's view.
As long as the British and American media keep portraying this issue as a one man battle against an entire institution of prestigious caretakers of world culture, this debate, if it really exists, will continue.
The collection of opinions here is biased because it consists of only opinions in English from British sources. What would the American papers say, or the Greek ones, or the Chinese ones, or even more importantly, the Egyptian ones?
I think to be fair and balanced you should preface this collection of opinions as saying it represents only the opinions of people in your own country.
Nicole, the opinions expressed in my collection of articles are those which were sent to me by my usual contributors, which I found by searching my usual sources and via my alerts. There was no intention to post biased material - it is just that the only material that I found to post is what you see here. I would much have preferred to post articles which, as with the Nefertiti bust, represented mixed opinions.
As to your more than somewhat offensive assumption that I would publish a British viewpoint because I happen to live in Britain ("your country" as you put it) please disabuse yourself of the idea. I only came to live in the UK when I was sixteen and since then I have never subscribed to its views and opions regarding heritage or anything else out of some blind mindless patriotism.
The idea that any nation's writers ever agree with each other uniformly or consistently on any given topic is quite frankly nonsensical. If those writers ARE in agreement on the topic then maybe that's something worth noting.
If you would like to send me something to post or send me links written by other writers, which will serve to offer other viewpoints then please do so - I would be very happy to post them.
I always believe that these issues should be handled on a case by case basis. With regard to the Rosetta Stone I have to say that my opinion changes from week to week. I can see the pros and cons on both sides. It would be nice if the issues were clear cut, and sometimes they are, but not in this particular case.
Hi Ben. I am sure that it is not just the view of Hawass that the Rosetta Stone should be returned either on loan or on a permanent basis.
It is the way in which Hawass takes centre stage and uses hyperbole to make his arguments does make make it seem as though he is one man against the world, and that's a perception that often doesn't help. But if you watch David Gill's Looting Matters blog and all the other blogs and websites dedicated to the topic of repatriation issues it is very clear that it is not just Hawass, or even just Egypt that is working for the repatriation of items. It is a world-scale problem. The difference here is that Hawass has chosen to stand up and be the focus for the Egyptian debate whereas most other governments have taken a less media-intense approach, although of course there have been exceptions.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that "this debate "if it really exists". Do you mean that the outcome is a foregone conclusion?
As I said to Nicole Hansen - I would be very glad to post articles which present the alternative view - not so much that as expressed by Hawass which has been covered frequently in all the media, but by independent writers who support the idea of the Rosetta Stone being returned to Egypt. Perhaps more will appear in the next few days in response. It would be nice to have a balanced set of opinions to consider.
Hi Andie: The debate exists. What I meant to say is whether this is really a dispute, a clash as it has been presented. It doesn't surprise me that the writers of those articles are in favor of keeping the Rosetta Stone in the UK. Like you say, there are very strong arguments. Others, however, convey this attitude that "you're not yet fit to take care of yourself and I better look out for your stuff". As for balance, the commentators are taking care of that.
I think I can see Ben's point. The British press makes it seem as if this is a personal crusade of Zahi and therefore use anti-Zahi sentiment and strawmen like Egypt can't care for the stone as arguments to support their position.
They ignore the fact that it isn't a one man show. In fact, Farouk Hosni spoke out about this several days before Zahi:
http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=164233&SecID=94&IssueID=0
And the fact that a group of Egyptian archaeologists have formed a group on FB to call for its return:
http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=165349&SecID=89&IssueID=0
I am surprised you don't recognize these opinion pieces you posted as emotional responses rather than responses based on actual evidence. The remarks about Zahi's hat and Indiana Jones and even more offensive are bringing Saddam Hussein into the picture just to make it seem really threatening. What does this have to do with the issue at hand? Do any of these opinion pieces actually weigh the legal claims or the facts even?
They are fear mongering. They use the current poor state of the Egyptian Museum as an excuse, while ignoring the current poor state of the BM's Egyptian galleries and ignoring the fact the Rosetta Stone would be housed in the GEM.
They trot out the James Cuno fiction that there is no connection between ancient and modern Egypt as an excuse to deny the Egyptians their own heritage.
Where in all this do you see serious consideration of the issues?
I think WWII has some lessons for us here. Can you imagine if 70 percent of the treasures of Germany were concentrated in Dresden in WWII? Or if the entire genji scroll in an above ground museum in Tokyo? Some of the finest works of the rennaisance were destroyed in bombings in Italy, and the brittish museum lost many Egyptian artefacts as well. Can you imagine the loss if one zealot with a bomb strapped to him somehow got past the guards at the Egyptian museum in Cairo?
It's good to have these artefacts spread accross the world, it protects them and preserves the memory of the culture that created them. Things like the Rosetta stone and Nefertiti that legally left the country (even if deception was involved with Nefertiti , the blame is partly mariette's)
Items like the ka Nefer nefer mask which were likely stolen need to go home.
Nicole,
The opinions that people express, emotional or otherwise, are always presented here unless they are blatantly inflammatory. As I only post material from mainstream media things may be heartfelt but are never flames. That's what this blog does - consolidates what's being reported and discussed by other people. I can only use material that I can find. In an ideal world one set of opinions taking up one side of a debate will incite responses.
As I said before - point me to something that represents your own viewpoints or does a better and more balanced job of presenting the facts for and against the repatriation of the Rosetta Stone and I will be very happy to post it. Or write it yourself. I for one would love to see a really good objective article on the subject.
The links that you provide raise an important point, but one that I really cannot do much about. As you must have noticed this is an English language site and apart from the odd post in Spanish, Italian or French (which I can read well enough to understand, if not translate word for word) I don't post anything that I cannot understand. Sadly I don't read Arabic so you'll find nothing on the site that's written in the Arabic language. I've looked at the links that you provided in your comment but I'm none the wiser. Inevitably the fact that I cannot read Arabic means that this blog is going to exclude a great deal of valuable information and discussion. Unless I find a reliable source who can both supply and translate such information sources then there's not much I can do about that. I think that that's an important point to make because although this means that it is an inherent bias in the blog, it is not my intention to exclude opinion.
Indiana Jones? I’ve never had the sense from interviews etc that I’ve read that Hawass didn’t enjoy the analogy. Kara Cooney has also been compared to IJ, as has Dr. Krzysztof Grzymski. Harrison Ford was used in the voiceover for the Golden Age of Pharaohs exhibition. In 2008 Archaeology Magazine ran a light-hearted "Indy-Spirit Award". I'm not arguing that likening Hawass to IJ is useful or clever, but I don't think it has negative connotations.
Hawass has become instantly recognizable internationally both for his image and his way of expressing things. That has frequently served him and Egypt well, but it is bound to work against him at times. If you make yourself the figurehead for anything then you’re going to have to accept that you will be the focus for the mud-flinging as well as the flattery. It may not be good that he is targeted in articles, but it is inevitable.
I have to moderate an awful lot of negative comments about Hawass. I let some comments through, but the extreme ones are deleted. I receive only a few supporting messages for him. It is not necessarily his viewpoint that causes upset with my blog's visitors on any given topic, but the way in which he expresses that viewpoint.
Hi Scrabcake. I hadn't actually thought of the possibility of terrorism, accidental damage or other terminal impacts to museum collections in this debate, and you do raise a good point. Look at the dreadful example of the Baghdad Museum (and no, anyone reading this, I'm not suggesting that Egyptians would loot their own museums at the drop of a hat!).
In addition, you make a second point far better than I made it earlier, which is that these cases really do need to be assessed on their merits. Just don't get me started on the Elgin Marbles. I may never be allowed within the gates of the BM ever again. If the accounts I've read of how Elgin gained possession of them are correct I think that now there is museum accommodation for them in Greece (and assuming that this is well up to international museum standards, which I see no reason why it wouldn’t be) they should be returned. Part of the difficulty for those of us who aren’t directly involved with all these cases is that, as Nicole pointed out, it is often difficult to get an informed view of the history of each "case" legally or even ethically. I would be fascinated to read an informed article by someone who was to look at the detailed background to repatriation claims for all these disputed items.
And you're right - important artefacts and objects need to be spread around so that people can see and learn about them wherever they happen to be.
None of this is easy. If it was easuy the outcomes would be predictable. If Egypt can provide the reassurances and guarantees that the BM always require for loans then I think that the Rosetta Stone should be loaned for the Grand Museum opening. I've never seen anything look less fragile and it should survive the two-way trip quite happily. I have no doubts that Egypt would return it.
I find the fate of the outdoor-living obelisks in the west to be more worrying than the more glamorous objects safely held in museums. Both the weather and pollution are against their chances of long term survival, and the vulnerability of these seems more imminently concerning than items which are well cared for.
I was in Egypt last year for the first time (Awesome Experience) and spent the better part of 10 days on buses and boats with heavily armed men asking for tips. I've never seen so many automatic weapons in my life and I'm American. When Egypt has a 50 year track record of safe tourism we can talk about this again. I don't need remind everyone of the bombing this year in Cairo. I, myself, had a coffee within feet of where the bomb went off just a few months earlier. Until that happens this subject is moot. The Rosetta Stone is the worlds antiquity not just Egypt's and needs to be housed in a place that is safe for the world to view it. The same goes for the Elgin Marbles.
Some of the issues that are being raised here, have been discussed in my recent articles. Zahi Hawass, the dynamic Secretary-General of the Supreme Council on Antiquities, Egypt, is not the only one fighting for the return of cultural objects to their country of origin. The United Nations, UNESCO and various conferences, e.g. International Conference, Athens, 2008, have all taken the position that these objects should be returned to their countries of origin. To act or write as if repatriation were an ego-trip for Hawass is to mislead the world. Intellectuals should refrain from such cheap tricks and face the issue squarely. Egypt was there before Hawass and will be there after Hawass and all of us are gone. The issue of reparation will be taken up by coming generations, in their own ways, if the present generation is unable or unwilling to move towards resolving the issues or at least reducing the humiliation and anger we feel when others who consider themselves our superiors steal our cultural objects and refuse to return them. None of the arguments presented in favour of the holding countries has any serious weight. Kwame Opoku.
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